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  • Hi!

    I want to get your opinion on how we list Fritz's (and possibly everyone elses) rank information.

    Currently I have his rank as Special Agent and then Deputy Chief. When he was the Acting Assistant Chief, I had that info there as well, but as the position was only temporary I removed it after he returned to lead the SOB.

    My question here is, do you feel like the Acting Assistant Chief should be included in the infobox to have Special Agent, Deputy Chief, Acting Assistant Chief, and then back to Deputy Chief, or is that just making things more complicated than they should be?

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    • Oh, too complicated. Let's go with the two major positions, and keep it simple. What I wish we could do is split his box so there's a section for when he was in the FBI and one for the LAPD, but that's probably too complicated, too.

      I want to try out using the new reference template this weekend, and rework his article slightly (format, not content). Which leads me to another question: what do you think about the quote in the box? To me, that's more about Brenda, and not really relevant to Fritz. I don't mind the idea of the box, just the choice of dialogue.

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    • If you check the revision history for Fritz's page, the second March 5, 2017 revision I did seperated some aspects of his FBI and LAPD career, but that was also just for the time he was Act. Asst. Chief.

      Would that be something that you'd want added to there permanently (with some modifications so it carries over to the rank info as well)?


      As for the quote box, it's definitely more Brenda than Fritz, but I don't see a big problem with it, it still describes Fritz and Brenda's relationship to an extent.

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    • I'll have a look at the history.

      As for the quote, it's a poor representation of their relationship and far more about Brenda thinking she is menopausal, which is tasteless. Far better would be Fritz's dialogue after their wedding.

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    • I sort of made the same changes I mentioned before to the infobox during my last edit.

      Is it any good? How could it be improved?

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  • What do you think about my recent edit to MCD's investigative responsibilites, and over all how they are laid out on the page?

    Is the grammar correct, or should those be listed some other way?

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    • Very nice. You've been busy I see.

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    • Yeah, a bit. It should all be ready to use soon.

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  • Hi! I'm visiting for the first time. Hope to spend some more time here. I might like to write episode synopses, if you still need that.

    For now, I want to mention that Dr. Joe seems to be missing from the cast of characters.

    Thanks. ~ Jamie H

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    • He's recurring, so we've left him off, but he's on enough that he really should be included. We'll put him on.

      Did you find us via the MC Facebook page? I hope you'll consider setting up an account so we can really get to know you! Welcome!!

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  • Like the wordmark you added! In the past, I've also tried to get something up there, with not so good results, so I've left them alone. I've also tried to make a custom Favicon but with similar results. You don't happen to have a good icon for that, do you?

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    • WordmarkV2

      Second version of my workmark.

      Now using the aspect ratio you mentioned, although now the text is a lot smaller.

      Tried to incorporate PAB and City Hall into the background, not sure how successfully though.

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    • Looks good. Go ahead and post it. I don't mind the smaller text. It's just thematic element.

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  • Hi!

    I noticed you have changed the episode cast to be for instance Jon Tenney (Fritz Howard) rather than Jon Tenney as Fritz Howard.

    Is this something you plan on doing to all episodes, and for future reference as well, so I know which style to use?

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  • Hi!

    About Winnie's page, and the resent edits.

    The rank of Captain can be abbreviated as Capt. or Cpt. depending on who's saying it. I've seen press releases for MC that list(ed) Raydor as Capt. but I've used Cpt. in the past because that is what I was used to.

    Which one do you think we should use? The LAPD sources I have recently started following on Twitter all use the Capt. abbreviation to my knowledge.

    And the point of FBI or F.B.I. aren't both of those used? Which one should we stick to?

    As for Fritz's SOB, I've modified them to match what you did with the "Deputy Chief in charge of SOB" vs the previous "Deputy Chief of SOB". I'm fast to adapt so the "in charge" seems better to me currently, but you're the Chief here so to speak. 

    And Winnie's fate following Mason's promotion:

    Considering James Duff has said that she might return in the future, suggests she is still in the same position, because she technically didn't do anything wrong, per say, in handling with the bombing crisis, so it's not like she was fired, at least that wouldn't have happened in the real LAPD. I'm not saying that transfers between divisions or bureaus (in Winnie's case/rank) couldn't happen, but I would have thought Mason/Howard would have told Sharon to not to worry about Winnie (or something along those lines) if she lost her position in Operations.

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    • Morning, MG!

      Let's see if I can answer your questions. I'm going to make a couple tweaks to Winnie's page in a minute which will help (I hope). Meanwhile:

      • The correct American English abbreviation for Captain is Capt. so let's go with that.
      • Technically acronyms use periods, so F.B.I. is most correct. The trouble is, very common acronyms, like FBI and LAPD effectively become words unto themselves and the periods are left out in ordinary usage. I think for ease of use, go with LAPD and FBI. (BTW, a good helper for these things is to see what the LA Times does.)
      • Fritz is Deputy Chief in charge of S.O.B. to my certain knowledge, likewise Brenda is Deputy Chief in charge of Priority Homicide, later Major Crimes. Deputy Chief is the rank, S.O.B. is the assignment. There seem to be a few exceptions to this in the uppermost LAPD hierarchy, but unless we know the title is different, go with "in charge of", especially at the Deputy Chief level. If nothing else, it's clearer.

      I think Wargrowlmon's issue with your Winnie Davis edit was that it was phrased as speculation, which makes it your opinion, and I agree with that concern. The best rule of thumb is that if we don't know, we leave it out. That said, the show's history and the reality of the LAPD based on my experience with at least four changes of Chief (going back to when Darryl Gates was replaced) are that other candidates simply return to their current posts if not chosen. Applying for Chief does not require they resign from their existing positions, just as would be the case in most workplace situations. Meanwhile, an acting position, such as Fritz took, is intended to be temporary, and the officer again returns to his/her original position when the service is complete. While Fritz was acting Chief, Ann McGuinness would have been acting commander of SOB.

      Just as a matter of interest: you commented somewhere about the length of time Fritz was acting Chief. If you check, you'll find Martin Pomeroy, who was acting Chief between Chief Parks and Chief Bratton served a few days shy of six months, whereas Michael Downing, who served between Bratton and Chief Beck, was in office for 16 days. There's really no "average" length of time.

      Hope that helps!

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    • LeverageGuru wrote:
      Morning, MG!

      Let's see if I can answer your questions. I'm going to make a couple tweaks to Winnie's page in a minute which will help (I hope). Meanwhile:

      • The correct American English abbreviation for Captain is Capt. so let's go with that.
      • Technically acronyms use periods, so F.B.I. is most correct. The trouble is, very common acronyms, like FBI and LAPD effectively become words unto themselves and the periods are left out in ordinary usage. I think for ease of use, go with LAPD and FBI. (BTW, a good helper for these things is to see what the LA Times does.)
      • Fritz is Deputy Chief in charge of S.O.B. to my certain knowledge, likewise Brenda is Deputy Chief in charge of Priority Homicide, later Major Crimes. Deputy Chief is the rank, S.O.B. is the assignment. There seem to be a few exceptions to this in the uppermost LAPD hierarchy, but unless we know the title is different, go with "in charge of", especially at the Deputy Chief level. If nothing else, it's clearer.

      I think Wargrowlmon's issue with your Winnie Davis edit was that it was phrased as speculation, which makes it your opinion, and I agree with that concern. The best rule of thumb is that if we don't know, we leave it out. That said, the show's history and the reality of the LAPD based on my experience with at least four changes of Chief (going back to when Darryl Gates was replaced) are that other candidates simply return to their current posts if not chosen. Applying for Chief does not require they resign from their existing positions, just as would be the case in most workplace situations. Meanwhile, an acting position, such as Fritz took, is intended to be temporary, and the officer again returns to his/her original position when the service is complete. While Fritz was acting Chief, Ann McGuinness would have been acting commander of SOB.

      Just as a matter of interest: you commented somewhere about the length of time Fritz was acting Chief. If you check, you'll find Martin Pomeroy, who was acting Chief between Chief Parks and Chief Bratton served a few days shy of six months, whereas Michael Downing, who served between Bratton and Chief Beck, was in office for 16 days. There's really no "average" length of time.

      Hope that helps!

      Thank you for those points.

      • I'll be keeping an eye out on the Cpt. vs Capt. abbreviation and changing them in the future, same for the FBI and LAPD.
      • I'm on the same page as you on this "Deputy Chief in charge of something" business. Although I still understand the Deputy Chief of SOB/PHD/MCD or whatever they might be, for casual readers the "in charge" is a lot easier to understand faster, if the reader has no knowledge about law enforcement organizations.

      I also realized after WarGrowlmon reverted those edits that the ending was bit too speculative than what I had pictured it, that was just something I wanted to point out in the article that she most likely hasn't magically dissapeared from the chain of command.

      And the comment about Fritz's position as Acting Asst. Chief (and there is a comment about Pope's position as Interim Chief as well) was on Howard's page at the end of his Act. Asst. Chief portion of the article.

      Chief Downing's temporary term was mentioned in the point about Chief Pope's interim assignment (because Pope was Interim Chief for 14 months), but I didn't know about Pomeroy's tenure. Thanks for the info!

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if there's a table in the Wikipedia with the hierarchy going back to the beginning. I remember Chiefs all the way back to Parker's very last days, when I was quite young. A lot changed when Gates was forced out of office after the CRASH squad scandal, and the process became far more transparent; the LAPD PIO was a household name in those days. You saw the last residue of that when Sharon was introduced and talked about her federal responsibilities, which were the result of the Christopher Commission.

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    • I'm sorry to highjack the thread so to say but could we talk about David Gabriel's and Julio Sanchez's detective "grade"?

      I know they are not discussed out loud in the series, but shouldn't we go with what is physically seen on screen? As in during Season 5 and 7 of The Closer, when they were both seen in uniform, David had the rank insignia of Sgt. I (Season 5) and Det. II (Season 7), and Julio had the Det. II insignia's on both occasion.

      Sergeant I is Sergeant of course, but Detective II is technically also a sergeant, just for detective assignments.

      I remember you said that your sources in the production team have said that Julio is not a sergeant, but I still think it can't be overlooked that he still could be a Det. II, same rank as David is after he was laterally promoted (this fact was said on screen, he was laterally promoted) after passing his detectives exam (he couldn't have gone to just Det. I, as that would have been a demotion).

      Link to Det. II insignia

      Link to Gabriel in unifrom

      Link to Julio in unifrom


      This info would still only be visible on the character pages and then the LAPD ranks page, and all other mentions of them would be just Sergeant or Detective (I remember that is something you wanted at one point and I can understand that)

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  • I've edited my work on the Jane Doe 38 page and want to know if breaking it up like that is acceptable for future posts I make.

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    • I want to point out an interesting fact here: the number of recognizable actors on this show. Seriously, even the minor characters possess actors easily recognizable from other shows. The main characters whose actors I know from different shows are Flynn, Julio, Sharon (from two different shows one of which is a movie, both SciFi), Rusty (though I've never actually watched that one as it was stupid) and Fritz. Who was in a movie I loved as a kid as basically the villain. I didn't even realize that one until fairly recently.

      As for other characters off the top of my head there's the FBI agent from Long Shot who got shot helping to take down the Sniper, Kris from season 2 (the other character's name the actress played was Krissy, real originality there!!!), Wade Weller's boss at the shelter, one of the suspects from I believe it was All In (the one with the casino chips used to hide the missing money or something like that), the guy who played Malcolm Rich in Open Line and the guys who play Peter Goldman, Leo Mason, Winnie Davis, TJ Shaw and Gustavo Wallace. And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head!!! The guy who plays Goldman give the creeps no matter WHAT show he's on btw.

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    • WarGrowlmon18 wrote:

      I was confused because I know that Patrice is Provenza's sixth marriage. I forgot that one of those was a remarriage. I've never seen The Closer man, only Major Crimes. Well I was able to watch The Last Word once and saw a couple episodes here and there over the years but in no particular order or fashion.

      Patrice is not Provenza's sixth marriage, first was Liz (#1), then Heather (#2), then Sharon (#3), then Heather again (#4), and now Patrice (#5).

      But no worries, I don't mind fact cheking, that's why I'm here, just wanted to point that out.

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  • Hi!

    It is pretty obvious that our stand points on the subject of Julio's and David's ranks are completely opposite.

    Do you think it would be possible to have another chat session in the near future to discuss this through, rather than spamming the Season 6 Character forum with them? I know you are the primary admin and you are free to do what you think is best and right, but I would like to talk this out before we make any more edits concerning this topic.

    I also acknowledge that we are working on this from completely different backgrounds, you with being a local and having contacts in the production crew, and me with just the info I have studied from the internet. On the course of being involved in this wiki, I have spent hundreds of hours studying the LAPD, and I consider myself quite knowledgeable of their operations as much as I just possibly can from the other side of the Atlantic.

    So that is about it, I hope you can understand my point-of-view on this subject and I would really like to talk this through, as the edits you made to the rank page is not something I fully agree with.

    - Monk

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    • Once my grades are in, let's talk. It's a tough week right now. Please bear with me, and we'll find a compromise.

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    • Hello again!

      Now that Wikia has rolled out the new user interface (at least for me), do you mind if I change some of the theme colors to dark-ish blue, as the current bright red is quite "aggressive" on the eyes, and blue would fit the LAPD theme a little better?

      I hope we can have the chat about the ranks soon!

      - Monk

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    • I've restored the original red. Please don't alter it. I'd like to have at least something of the site I set up remaining.

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